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	<title>Comments on: Understanding your iPod/iPhone batteries lifecycle</title>
	<link>http://www.bigappleipods.com/archives/37</link>
	<description>iPods, iPhones, and more...</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Thom</title>
		<link>http://www.bigappleipods.com/archives/37#comment-1673</link>
		<dc:creator>Thom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>300-500 full cycles and it's dead? Sorry, that's not what the documentation says.

After about 400 full cycles, the battery is expected charge to 80% of its original capacity. It should be quite clear 80% is not zero. Furthermore, this is a gradual reduction.

So, currently the battery provides about 8 hours talk time, about twice that of the 4 to 5 hours of other phone. After about 400 full discharge cycles one could expect about 6.4 hours, which is still more than other phones. Also keep in mind other phones use similar batteries, and their 4 hours of talk time would be reduced to about 3.2 hours at that point.

Let's keep this in perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>300-500 full cycles and it&#8217;s dead? Sorry, that&#8217;s not what the documentation says.</p>
<p>After about 400 full cycles, the battery is expected charge to 80% of its original capacity. It should be quite clear 80% is not zero. Furthermore, this is a gradual reduction.</p>
<p>So, currently the battery provides about 8 hours talk time, about twice that of the 4 to 5 hours of other phone. After about 400 full discharge cycles one could expect about 6.4 hours, which is still more than other phones. Also keep in mind other phones use similar batteries, and their 4 hours of talk time would be reduced to about 3.2 hours at that point.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep this in perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Pecos Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.bigappleipods.com/archives/37#comment-1461</link>
		<dc:creator>Pecos Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, you describe battery memory. Lithium batteries are memory free. Apple tells users to condition their Mac batteries for a totally different reason: re-education of the battery management circuitry inside the battery so it can accurately report remaining capacity (it dwindles as the cycle count increases) and properly manage it.

Supposedly and according to Apple, each charge cycle does not count as full cycle unless it's fully depleted but is a sum of the partials. Speaking of full depletion, it's not good to leave any Lithium battery depleted for any time and it's best not to store one fully charged either.

See http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html and/or http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html for good info. I would add to the part about storage that you should store it in a refrigerator (NOT freezer--use for alkalines only). I did that with my extra battery for my 2001 iBook and it still has excellent life.

Make sure to warm it to optimal temp before using.

Lastly, I suggest doing a google search on lithium battery care and pay attention to who is saying it. Trust entities that work with the technology before trusting a site that does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you describe battery memory. Lithium batteries are memory free. Apple tells users to condition their Mac batteries for a totally different reason: re-education of the battery management circuitry inside the battery so it can accurately report remaining capacity (it dwindles as the cycle count increases) and properly manage it.</p>
<p>Supposedly and according to Apple, each charge cycle does not count as full cycle unless it&#8217;s fully depleted but is a sum of the partials. Speaking of full depletion, it&#8217;s not good to leave any Lithium battery depleted for any time and it&#8217;s best not to store one fully charged either.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.apple.com/batteries/notebooks.html</a> and/or <a href="http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.apple.com/batteries/ipods.html</a> for good info. I would add to the part about storage that you should store it in a refrigerator (NOT freezer&#8211;use for alkalines only). I did that with my extra battery for my 2001 iBook and it still has excellent life.</p>
<p>Make sure to warm it to optimal temp before using.</p>
<p>Lastly, I suggest doing a google search on lithium battery care and pay attention to who is saying it. Trust entities that work with the technology before trusting a site that does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliakim</title>
		<link>http://www.bigappleipods.com/archives/37#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliakim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.bigappleipods.com/archives/37#comment-1436</guid>
		<description>I thought the "memory effect" was "history" and didn't come into play any longer, with these newer kinds of batteries, like the lithium ion ones. So, we are back to the same ole stuff of constantly conditioning the batteries to make them last longer? I just ask that because other places say that this is not necessary. You just don't know what to believe any more these days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the &#8220;memory effect&#8221; was &#8220;history&#8221; and didn&#8217;t come into play any longer, with these newer kinds of batteries, like the lithium ion ones. So, we are back to the same ole stuff of constantly conditioning the batteries to make them last longer? I just ask that because other places say that this is not necessary. You just don&#8217;t know what to believe any more these days&#8230;</p>
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